New Ukraine Emails Dig DEEPER Hole For Trump

New Ukraine Emails Dig DEEPER Hole For Trump


>>The New York Times recently published a
piece looking into some new details in terms of the timeline and communications surrounding
the hold of military aid to Ukraine. What’s interesting about this new article
is that it gets into the involvement of some figures in the Trump administration who have
avoided testifying, avoided talking much about this. In some cases have implied that they knew
nothing about what was going on, and we’re now finding out that that’s not necessarily
the case. So we’re gonna talk about a few here. The first is Mick Mulvaney. At one point, about a week after Trump had
initially decided or communicated that he wanted the aid to be held, he had sent an
email saying, I’m just trying to tie up some loose ends. Did we ever find out about the money for Ukraine
and whether we can hold it back? So he has been involved since June in that
effort. Just bear that in mind as the President says
that in the house, they never had people first hand information, but also stopped Mick Mulvaney
from testifying. And Mick Mulvaney, the guy who sort of like
publicly outed Trump about this scandal when he admitted that it was a quid pro quo on
National TV, he doesn’t want to come and testify before the Senate either. And it looks like there’s quite a bit that
he could probably reveal. Now the reply to that email from Mick Mulvaney
was from an aide Robert Blair, who replied that it would be possible but not pretty,
quote, expect Congress to become unhinged if the White House tried to countermand spending
passed by the House and Senate. And he wrote it might further fuel the narrative
that Mr. Trump was pro-Russia. So from the very beginning when they were
trying set up this scheme, some inside of the administration were saying, look, I’m
with you, but this is going to be really and. And they did start to develop a legal argument
from their point of view that because Trump is the Commander in Chief, he can effectively
override everything that Congress wants to do, which is a bold position. Probably they’ll apply to some other stuff
eventually. We have more on other people but this is Mick
Mulvaney initially implying before that he didn’t have much involvement in this and apparently
he was involved from the first week.>>Yeah, and then he had a second round of
excuses which is what I mean I was involved in holding up the aid but I didn’t know that
it was because Trump wanted the investigations. Later you find out in the details he absolutely
knew and he was the one enforcing it.>>Mm-hm.>>So but there is the fact that Mulvaney
is trying to distance himself away from the Biden investigations is an interesting escape
hatch because then he can go to investigators and go. I mean, I didn’t know but now I know. Okay, here’s evidence. Okay? Mulvaney flipping is everything. If he flips, but that’s a giant, giant if. He’s shown some indication that he does wanna
flip, and that he has insurance like Giuliani talked about as to why Trump should not throw
him under the bus. He has said that publicly. I am paraphrasing the word insurance, but
basically said, I got too much information for anyone to throw me under a bus. So he knows, there’s no question he, he not
only knew what they did, he knew it was wrong. And he knows that he can turn on Trump with
that evidence. And so there’s guilt all over this. There’s 1,000 angles that I wanna discuss
here but that just one more on what John already mentioned. The law that they’re violating in this particular
case is the Impoundment Control Act. So when Congress puts aside money to be spent
on a country, as they did with Ukraine, you cannot stop that money. And if you do, it violates the Impoundment
Control Act. And so the internal White House lawyers, Justice
Department lawyers, Office of Management and Budget lawyers all got together, and they’re
like, okay, how do we break this law while having an excuse that we’re not breaking the
law? So the best thing they had was, well, we can
say it’s in the President’s constitutional powers to break that law. Yeah, there’s no such thing, okay? That’s why they took a long time trying to
come up with the thing that doesn’t exist.>>You can understand why they would think
Trump would like that, when he’s previously said there’s a thing, Article II, that let’s
me do whatever I want to do.>>Yeah, that’s not remotely true, that is
not in our constitutional system. There is no clause of the constitution that
says yes, it’s true, Congress writes the laws but the President can ignore them at his leisure. That doesn’t exist.>>Yeah.>>The President must follow the laws, period.>>Ideally, I guess. Yes, okay, in terms of there’s a lot of guilt
to go around, and also like I had mentioned that, people have been trying to caution Trump
away from this path. He had that aid, but you have some higher
ups as well. In late August, Defense Secretary Mark Esper
joined Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, the national security advisor
at that time, for a previously undisclosed Oval Office meeting with the president, where
they tried but failed to convince him that releasing the aid was in the interests of
the United States. That’s a couple of months into this at that
point. And so, again, those are a couple of people
that we haven’t heard much from. It would be great to have Pompeo and Bolton
testify, but they’ve either opted not to or been blocked from doing so, which is totally
the mark of an innocent person.>>And interestingly, too, in terms of what
Mick Mulvaney knew and when he knew it and all this, I thought this is really interesting. Mr. Mulvaney is said by associates to have
stepped out of the room whenever Mr. Trump would talk with Mr. Giuliani to preserve Mr.
Trump’s attorney client privilege, leaving him with limited knowledge about their efforts
regarding Ukraine. Or like the fact that he apparently just leaves
the room whenever Rudy comes in might have a simpler explanation.>>He’s a weirdo [LAUGHS]. But yeah, apparently he was trying to limit
his exposure to information that he would have to later deny having access to.>>But there’s no question as you find out
later that he in fact did know was connected to the Biden’s and in fact pushed that along. But the very fact that he’s trying to set
up that excuse of hey when Giuliani came into the room I always left, attorney client privilege
means I know I realize I might get caught and what we did was clearly illegal, okay? So now to the point that John made about the
big meeting, Defense Secretary Esper, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, very, very loyal to
Donald Trump, and John Bolton, National Security Advisor, all say to Donald Trump, you cannot
hold up this money. It’s a really terrible idea, do not hold up
Ukraine’s aid is not going to work out well with Congress and come down on you anyway. It’s against our national security interests,
etc. Trump’s like, yeah, I know but on the other hand, you know, it would help the Russians
and I would get to investigate my political opponent. I don’t, man this seems like an easy question. I don’t give a god damn about the law, what
are you guys stupid? Why would I care about the law? Now, did I make up the part where Donald Trump
just spoke? Yes, okay but after- the parts that the three
advisers said is true. Okay, so putting the kidding aside, those
three top loyalists to Donald Trump come and tell him do not do this. It’s an immensely bad idea. He goes, I don’t care. That didn’t affect him at all.>>Yeah.>>And look again, putting the kidding aside,
there are two different parts of this. One is he wants to investigate his political
opponent and doesn’t care what laws he’s breaking. The other is Russia loves this. So because it’s all military equipment going
to Ukraine, they’re in the middle of that fight at that point, in fact, right then is
when Ukraine head sees the Russian tanker. Okay, so then all of a sudden Donald Trump
blocks military aid to Ukraine. Again, Putin celebrating in the streets. We are told by people who don’t believe in
overwhelming evidence that continues to be a coincidence. So yet another coincidence where Putin is
happy about something Trump has done.>>Yeah. So, look, I found this article to be interesting. It puts a little bit more context to what
some of these incredibly powerful and not all but some still well connected members
of the Trump administration were thinking and doing at the time. I don’t expect that it’s probably gonna change
many people’s minds.>>But, no look, so let’s talk about things
that could be interesting if a trial ever occurs in the Senate. Because it wasn’t just his own administration
officials, lower-level, mid-level, and higher-level, it was also Republican senators. So both Rob Portman and Ron Johnson went and
talked to Donald Trump near the end of this whole process. And they’re like, what are you doing? No, we appropriated the funds. You can’t do this. He’s like I don’t like the corruption in Ukraine. So Rob Portman says, yeah, but quote, but
we should not hold that against Ukraine. We need to release these funds. So here are Republicans coming in, that was
September 11th when Trump finally concedes and releases it, two Republican senators saying,
President Trump, you must release those funds. So, of course, the other enormously important
data point here is a couple days before that Donald Trump had found out about the whistleblower
complaint.>>Yeah.>>So they finally tell him, so he released
the funds on September 11, and in the last two days before that, two things happen, he
finds out there’s a whistleblower complaint and he might get caught. And two Republican senators come in and say
you’re in a world of trouble man if you don’t release those funds and we’re not Democrats. We’re Republicans. So it is indisputable that are you release
the funds because he got caught? Well, not because he wanted to.>>One other thing happened too. I wasn’t going to read this initially but
yeah, in that timeline the day before he finally changes after months of holding the aid pushing
for it to be held. He changes his mind and take a look at this. This is amazing. Remember, his argument is that yes for a time
it was being held but not because of, you know, White House trip or investigation or
anything like that it’s just over the corruption. So on September 10, the day before he changed
his mind and finally stopped the hold, a political appointee at the budget office, Michael Duffy
wrote a lengthy email to the Pentagon’s top budget official. He asserted that the Defense Department had
the authority to do more to ensure that the aid could be released to Ukraine by the congressionally
mandated deadline at the end of that month, suggesting that any responsibility for any
failure should not rest with the White House. 43 minutes later, the Pentagon official, Elaine
McCusker, hit send on a brief but stinging reply. You can’t be serious. I am speechless. Because think about this, Trump had been holding
it for months, they find out about the whistleblower, the Republicans come. He says okay, let’s do it. And you, what’s been taking you guys so long? You could be expediting this, get this done
get this done. If it’s not done in time. It’s not about us has nothing to the White
House. It’s all on you guys. You guys are responsible. Now is that consistent with, well, we’ve been
holding it, but it’s over corruption concerns? We’re really concerned about the corruption
there.>>Yeah.>>But they’re suddenly trying to dump blame
on anyone they can.>>When the Pentagon originally asked, why
are you holding up the funds, the Office of Management and Budget would not give them
a reason. They’re like, we’re gonna get back to you
on that, because there is no legitimate reason. And at the end, before they reversed their
decision, they say, it’s the Pentagon’s fault for holding up the funds. That’s why she writes you can’t be serious. We’re the ones who wanted you to release the
funds from day one. Now you’re gonna turn around and blame us?
Trump 101 and again, if you’re a republican and you think Trump’s gonna be on your side,
no, he’s not. He’s gonna throw you under the bus the minute
he can. Last thing, guys, the other thing that happened
in the last two days, was the chairman of three House Committees announced that they
were opening investigations. So Democrats are opening investigations. The Pentagon says you have to release the
budget anyway, the money anyway. He finds out there’s a whistleblower complaint
and he got caught, and two Republican senators come and yell at him and say, you’re gonna
have to release the funds anyway, what are you doing? You’re going to get caught by everyone. So that’s why he releases the funds. No ands, ifs or buts. If you’re living on a different planet, okay,
sure whatever. In your planet there is no logic, there are
no facts. On this planet, Trump definitely held it illegally
and only released it because of this pressure slip. Last thing is, hey, I would call Ron Johnson
and Rob Portman to the stand in the Senate trial. You guys are Republican senators, you talked
to Donald Trump right before he released the aid. It looks like he released the aid because
of you guys, so what did you tell him, and why did you tell him that? And were you concerned that he was doing something
illegal? You obviously went to yell at him. You obviously went to disagree with him. You obviously went to tell Trump, you are
doing something wrong. So why did you think he was doing something
wrong? I would love to see that.